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The Relationship Between CEs and Writers

Editor’s note: We will be featuring blog entries from our own creators from time to time. This installment is from Carolyn Williams on the changing role of the Demand Studios copy editors.

It’s been intriguing, watching Demand Studios grow, and as a veteran Copy Editor (CE) as well as an active member of the writing community, I get to participate in and observe both sides of the publication process. Back in the day when eHow was first created, the CE had a simple role: to check that semi-colons and other grammatical issues were correct. As Demand Studios has grown, so has the role of the CE. Now, rather than simply ensuring that grammar is acceptable, we team with the writers to ensure that the published content provides valuable, insightful, helpful advice to our readers. And we provide a simple logic check for much of that advice. After all, if you’re unstopping your sink, you don’t particularly care if the commas are all there. But you care an awful lot if “Step 2: Put a bucket under the sink to catch the water when you release the trap” is missing. Grammar issues that crop up repeatedly might be noted to the writer to avoid in future. But it’s much more time-efficient for fixes of that nature to be done by your friendly, neighborhood (okay, Internet-enabled) CE. As a CE, as you don’t get paid until the article is rewritten and comes back to your queue a second time. For simple grammar fixes, going in and fixing them is your best bet to getting paid. Larger issues get sent back to the writer.

That, in short, encapsulates how the CE job has evolved. We care as much as the writers do about the integrity of the information published on our many and varied sites. And we care for a very specific reason: job security. If our sites publish information that isn’t good, useful, well written, helpful and on task, then we’ve failed as a publishing team. Readers won’t click on our site to get information if they don’t think what we publish is useful. It becomes, then, a swirling drain. No readers, no new content to publish, no new articles to review, no editing work.

There’s a natural dissonance between the CE team and the writing team; that’s healthy, normal and part of the business of writing. We love the language, we love writing. We’re always working toward stronger, better content with the end goal of providing usable, good quality information that our readers can embrace.  There are natural bumps in the road for this 21st-century publishing business model we’re all using; development issues, technical errors, learning curves, dynamic style guides. That’s part of the environment. You either roll with it, or move to an environment that is more appropriate to your particular skills and needs. This is true for both writers and editors.

We’re all in this together, this new, modern publishing process. We deeply appreciate using and understanding the Style Guides. We’ll shepherd the content to publication wherever possible. And we'll team with the writers to make our sites increasingly helpful, useful, authoritative, well written and of high quality.

16 Comments

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RicaMendes
Nov 8, 4:56 PM

I appreciate the feedback. But sometimes, you need to ask for clarification before you submit a re-write and there doesn't appear to be an opportunity to do that.

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Shula
Nov 8, 5:16 PM

Rica, you can find a rewrite clarification form under "Writer Resources". I always try to clarify issues with the CE as well before rewriting.

On the OP, most of the CE's I've worked with have been very helpful. I've gotten a lot of positive feedback as well as constructive criticism. Occasionally I get a rewrite request for something that I think the CE could have handled hirself (I once got a request asking me to add one word to the intro, and no other changes requested, for example.) Fortunately these types of requests are in the minority.

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DaleS
Nov 8, 5:31 PM

As a new CE, let me first, thank Carolyn for the honest article and now, clarify some of your other issues. IF the article is approved on 1st draft, we get paid for it. IF it's sent back for a rewrite, we won't get paid till AFTER the next resolution of it, i.e., if we approve it on 2nd draft, reject it on 2nd draft OR if the writer lets it expire. But, yes, we would not get paid in the middle of those scenarios, while waiting for a rewrite, because the article is considered "open."

Now, as far as those annoying "trivial" details we edit or return? You writers should know as well as CEs (no apostrophe, btw, it's plural, not possessive), the zillions of details on the scores of pages of all those constantly-changing rules and guidelines. Are you aware that CEs get performance reviews that are largely based on what we shouldn't have allowed to approve? All the broken rules...AP, DMS, etc. that you put in your pieces, without correcting...it is our job to catch and fix them, or we have not done our job appropriately. Some basic spelling, grammar or construction issues, yeah, well we're good at that. But much of it is what's documented by DMS that we're both supposed to adhere to. When writers ignore all that, you don't get criticized for it; we do, if we allow it. That said, CEs get paid much less for editing an article. If it takes 15, 20, 30+ minutes to correct all those errors that shouldn't have been in the piece to begin with (writers have access to those guidelines, too!), then we've earned even less. So, if it's going to take that long to correct all that stuff, it goes back to you. I've seen my share of sentences that were so poorly written, I honestly couldn't figure out what the writer was trying to say.

Unless an article comes back to us w/a rewrite, we never get direct feedback. And when it does, you'd be surprised how nasty the comments can be. As though, the rules were ours and we just want to nit-pick. Only a CE/Writer like Carolyn can see both sides and know the whole story. Hopefully, now, some more you will as well.

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CaseyLeighH
Nov 8, 5:49 PM

I appreciate the CEs here. Very seldom do I get what I consider an unreasonable rewrite request.

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CathrynW
Nov 8, 8:13 PM

My copy editors have given me good advice, improved my articles, and caught things I totally missed no matter how many times I spell checked and proof-read, not to mention the technical errors they catch that I am totally unaware of until I get the article back. And the CEs are not afraid to let me know when I've done it right--I appreciate all the feedback.

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MobyWho
Nov 9, 4:39 PM

First, I've learned to eliminate every third word. The best help I've found is the ability to read the CE's corrections after the article is accepted. It's a long learning process...the education is priceless!
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